But that's not an expensive brush either. This was plenty of drying time. It’s important that we use Tamiya’s brand of lacquer thinners as it’s specifically designed to be used on plastic models and the like, and will not eat the plastic away. Michael Carpenter has been writing blogs since 2007. It doesn't do any harm to the enamel paint and you can buy it at Lowe's/Home Depot or pretty much any hardware store by the gallon. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. If you’re not sure, and you need to know the difference between acetone and paint thinner for your specific applications, the chemists at Ecolink can help. Apply the thinner evenly across the surface, let it sit momentarily, then remove. Right out of the gate turpentine is derived from pine resin ( and it smells it too) and mineral spirits from petroleum ( and it smells it, like kerosene actually). It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. To participate you must either login or register for an account. In short it works and it doesn't do all the nasty things mentioned above in what ever post it was. Always test new thinners with different brands of paints just to make sure they work. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. The two solvents are not interchangeable. It is very important that you follow the directions from the manufacturer exactly to get the best results. Lacquer paint requires a special kind of paint thinner aptly named lacquer thinner to make it even. If you want a universal thinner for both enamels and acrylics... try Lacquer Thinner. Excellent video, quite a few who "espouse" the dearest internal mix airbushes, should  take a look at what can be achieved with just a very ordinary el-cheapo external mix airbrush. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. Copyright 2020 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media. No. Just remember he's hosing down a car body there. I let my enamel that was thinned using lacquer thinner dry about 2 weeks. Why do you do it? While the term mineral spirits could mean any of a number of materials, in a hardware store it usually means turpentine. Three full wet coats basically. Turpentine also is generally more costly. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. Closest hobby shop is a minimum of 1 hr round trip plus the cost of the gas. I can buy a gallon of lacquer thinner or automotive enamel reducer for a heck of a lot less than than I can buy the equivalent amount of OEM thinner at a hobby shop. So what this fella is saying, is you can achieve phenominal results, without having to spend heaps of dollars on an airbrush, that just aint worth all those dollars. Several substances can be used to thin polyurethane including turpentine, mineral spirits, paint thinner or, in some cases, water. If you want to reduce drying times with enamels, try adding some Japan drier, available in most hardware stores. I've never used laquer thinner anywhere near enamels since.. Just as a cleaner.. Color bleed is caused by solvents reacting with the undercoats, causing the undercoat color to show through the top finish. If i where to guess it, its because the lacquer thinner breaks up the pigment better than the mineral spirets. It is a VERY good thinner for acrylics and I thin Tamiya paints wtih LT for airbrushing in particular. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. The aforementioned lacquer thinner works really well with MM enamels. Skip to main content. Each brand of automotive paint will come with instructions on which solvent to use and what the mixing requirements are for the paint and solvent. The calculations for measuring your thinner involve simple multiplication. It sometimes works in very small quantities but it's in the acetone family and may not be compatible with the flavor of enamel you have. Yes you can thin enamel paints with lacquer thinner. Based on manufacturer’s recommendations its good to avoid products such as lacquer thinner or mineral spirits for thinning – although you can use them for the quick clean-up. Just add water. Example of Lacquer paint are Mr.Color and Modo paint. The best way to remove the sheen is by putting the thinner into a spray device. Other than the price, the differences between the two solvents are subtle: Both are petroleum products. OOPS. Typically used with a good sized nozzle and fairly high pressure, you just keep blasting till done. Fill a spray bottle with paint thinner or lacquer. Which means SWMBO is happy and I've got more money to spend on kits & AM. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. But the question is why? What is the benefit of thinning with lacquer thinner instead of paint thinner, mineral spirits or whatever? The common paint thinner is turpentine. Find a Store Near Me. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Advertisement Link ... 128-fl oz Fast to Dissolve Lacquer Thinner. You have to use proper acrylic enamel reducer for that. Faster drying time? A urethane reducer would probably be a bit risky, but I've done complete paint jobs and a ton of assorted parts with acrylic enamel using lacquer thinner as a reducer. For acrylics I use denatured alcohol period. "Lacquer thinner" has no specific composition. Don Yost commercial builder and highly regarded contest builder also does it that way and with a Paasche H. Here's a video as to why if it will load, it's 10 minutes long:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCKZ_fo4eW0. That’s its own animal altogether. It can be anything and everything, as far as solvents are concerned. Thanks for the replies guys. Of the three it’s also the most toxic, so make sure that you are in a well-ventilated area as well as using a mask when handling lacquer. If the lacquer thinner contains either amyl, ethyl, or both, you can use them to thin out the gloss or sheen on surfaces. These items are sold at any hardware supply store. I love "out of the box" thinking. Each paint manufacturer uses its own terminology when it comes to solvents. I've got both a hardware and a lumberyard that stock the thinner and an automotive supply store that carries the reducer - all within less than 5 minutes from my house. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. We sell industrial formulations of acetone and eco-friendly paint thinning agents, among solvents for many other specific or general uses. for pricing and availability. These additives make the paint flow better so the result is even, professional coats. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. Check paint container labels for the manufacturer's recommended paint to paint thinner ratio. Then again, sometimes you come across ideas that seem like they are more trouble than they are worth. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. This combo can often be cured enough to mask over without fear of pulling the fresh paint off within minutes - usually by the time I've cleaned the airbrush to accept the next color.. To separate these out, refiners boil the crude and pass the vapors through distillation tubes in a procedure known as fractional distillation. If you want to dilute a gallon of single-stage urethane paint by 5 percent then you'll need to multiply 0.05 by 128. Wash all paint residue out it with lacquer thinner and a rag once you get all the paint out of it, then let it air dry. Ross Martinek Now I use it primarily as an AB cleaner but every once in a while I'll find myself with one hand full and a sealed enamel thinner container while needing a drop or two of thinner for the AB. With all the reducers, and dryers that are in lacquer thinner you won't have to worry about it destroying anything. For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, but rather a reducer. You also mentioned the drawbacks. Using the wrong one could ruin your paint. Both can thin enamels such as alkyd enamels but not suggested for acrylic enamels. Michael holds licenses in both real estate and life and health insurance. You NEVER put lacquer thinner in enamel. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. The two solvents are not interchangeable. like i said ive been useing it for close to 20 years most of my experiance is fromm working in a body shop. It gives you fast wet coat that doesn't sag or run very easy with a super shine and no orange peel. Turpentine is usually used to thin and to clean up enamel. It does make a great cleaner. They have dissolved material which precipitates out and can mess up a paint job. Some symptoms that the solvent used was incorrectly matched to the paint include poor gloss and adhesion, dullness, chalking, cracks or splits, blisters, sanding swell, blushing or bleed-through of color. It may contain mineral spirits (it usually doesn't) but it is not the same as mineral spirits. But they literally are not the same substance, people might think so but they aren't. Premium Enamel Thinner. As thinners, mineral spirits will dry quicker. of thinner. Those who use them for enamels, as far as I can tell, use them for the reasons you mentioned. It's always best to use the correct and recommended additive and reducers with any paint products. What are the advantages? For cleaning brushes, paint thinner is best since it’s half the cost of mineral spirits and basically works the same. I put laquer thinner into my pot of enamel, which was a VERY expensive enamel as well... Needless to say, it turned into cottage cheese almost immediately... By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. The result is 6.4, so you should measure 6.4 liquid oz. This will ensure no problems come from the paint, assuming you thin it to the manufactured specs. Well, although enamels do dry harder and, faster when cut with lacquer thinner,,,you still CANNOT lay lacquer over top of them. The paint thinning process needs to be handled with care because oil, latex, lacquer and enamel based paints can require different paint thinners and treatment for optimum results. Crude is a mixture of hydrocarbon chains of various lengths and structures with unique boiling points. Use small amounts of thinner at a time. 32-fl oz Slow to Dissolve Linseed Oil. The process of refining crude oil to produce gasoline, kerosene and other fuels also yields a number of other products, including solvents. And both thinner and reducer do the same job just as well. The cleaner jar is always open and a drop or two with a pipette saves the day. This test will involve taking Tamiya acrylic paint and thinning one portion with Tamiya X20-A acryrlic thinners, and another portion of paint thinned with Tamiya lacquer thinners. It is therefore important to check that the product you are buying is made specifically for the purpose that you are going to use it with. Model #GJLT130. Today I laid out a coat of lacquer on it. A Paasche H is capable enough but if you want really fine lines with a super atomized mist coming out you might want to look at something else. Brian, I very seldom go in this direction but the guy at the paint store that tells you to put lacquer thinner in enamel is a MORON and should NOT be trusted with ANYTHING in the paint business. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. The future will soon be a thing of the past. I did not have much hope for it but, gave it a try anyway. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. The SCA Multi-Purpose Thinner is suitable for thinning lacquer paints and primers as well as cleaning spray equipment and paint brushes. Find paint thinners at Lowe's today. They have a milky appearance rather than water-clear. Using one kind of thinner for a different purpose may cause the surface of your furniture to worsen. Old Hans is long gone from around here.A great and helpful contributer,he is missed.I think he is okay,I think I heard computer issues,I don't know if he posts anywhere else. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Thinners and reducers in automotive paints are both solvents used to thin paint. Some lacquer thinners are sold specifically for clean up while others can be solely for thinning. It is very important that the solvent selected matches with the manufacturer's recommendations for which solvents to use, including using the right proportions and taking into consideration various environmental situations, such as hot or humid weather. For general purpose thinning, a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of paint to thinner or similar ratio is appropriate. With the Solvable Product Selector Tool, you’ll always find the right product solution for your thinning challenge. There are some disadvantages to this (Possible damage to the paint itself, risk of crazing or melting the plastic with a heavy application and paint flash drying, leading to poor quality finish and adhesion). I've never had any of the problems listed above. 10-30-2008, 01:38 PM #4 It's repeatable, I've done it myself. Item #622049. Shop paint thinners and a variety of paint products online at Lowes.com. The Paasche H and #3 needle are well suited to model car finishes though, I use one a lot for that or base coats, priming etc. The contents of your paint will define what type of thinner you will use. He mentioned doing metalizer paints with the H and you can but I use a Badger 200 and fine needle personally and see a difference. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing…. Pour all of the paint from the can into a clean five-gallon bucket, and add a half-cup … For example, 1 gallon of paint is 128 liquid oz. Plus the fact that I can get either locally. I use it to wipe down the paint cup, needle and outside of my airbrush no matter what paint I'm using. Did not like it. There are now some synthetic paint thinners out there that are lousy for thinning enamels. Ive been useing lacquer thinner to thin myy enamels for close to 20 years with out any issues what so ever. 'Nuff said. For Alclad paint, I use acetone. From then on I stick to brand name thinners for the appropriate paint. Often you come across great ideas on the forums. To me it's more a matter of cost and convience. Our community is FREE to join. It is important to keep the amount of paint higher than the amount of paint thinner. I use lacquer thinner for enamels as well as lacquer based paints. Don't use lacquer thinner. one can use Naptha to thin and speed up enamel drying time. 97. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. If your painting over dried enamel that was hardened with a paint hardened you will be ok. I now only buy stuff that specifically says turpentine or mineral spirits. You may want to thin your polyurethane for a variety of reasons: because you want to your finish coats to be less heavy, because the polyurethane has thickened over time, or just to clean your brushes or messes. While the purpose of the two is basically the same, thinners and reducers are used on very different paints. I thought I was missing some secret or subtle advantage. It's smoother and a finer mist coming out. I've come across quite a few mentions of folks using lacquer thinner to thin enamel for spraying through an airbrush. Just FWIW. But they come in opaque containers, so you cannot see this milkiness until you buy it. The fixes for each symptom are time-consuming and require you to use more paint to complete the job correctly. Write down the amount you add so when the viscosimeter reads correctly or the paint performs the way you want in the spray gun, you can thin future batches by the same amount. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. For example, if one or more of the solvents in the blend causes de-linking of the binder polymer, it will reduce viscosity, possibly produce a thinner coating, but the polymer may never fully cross-link, producing a more fragile coating. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. tis a crazy world out there. The only effect lacquer thinner would have on pigment dispersal would be a lowering of viscosity, like any other reducing solvent. This thinner offers medium to fast drying time. He is a mortgage specialist with over 12 years of experience as well as an expert in financing, credit, budgeting and real estate. The result speaks for itself. I used it also, without issue. which i beleve gives you a smoother paint job. The finish was "different" and drying time doubled. Thin-X Latex Paint Thinner). Compare; Find My Store. Test by using a less aggressive cleaning solvent that you know will not harm lacquer, enamel, clear-coats, plastic, rubber, or vinyl surfaces and see if it will remove the overspray. Depending on what solvents are in your lacquer thinner, they may change the behavior of the binder, but that effect is as likely to be negative as it is positive. For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, … The latter is often called mineral spirits. Likewise, can you use acetone to thin polyurethane? Mineral spirits or paint lacquer thinner … which is better? Turpentine is not good as a cleaner, it remains sticky on the surface, mineral spirits works fine to clean surfaces. You can still get that with a single action brush or double but it's going to be internal mix most likely. Not my experience nor several model car builders experience who post to you tube. For example, some European companies refer to reducers as thinners, which can be very confusing. If you have any questions, contact the manufacturer directly to verify whether the solvent and paint selected will work together properly before applying it to your automobile. You will also need a few buckets large enough to hold the paint that you want to thin and a wooden stirring stick. I like a blend of lacquer thinner and mineral spirits for enamel on car bodies if to use solvent paints. Without this information in hand, any action you take would be like “an accident looking for a place to happen.” For example, as simple a thing as dabbing a little lacquer thinner on a towel and rubbing it on a spot could result in paint removal. Secondly, can you use lacquer thinner on car paint? Can't think of one. i know this is an old thread, but I’m willing to bet you were using acrylic single-stage enamel. Although, I use the cheap stuff from Wal Mart (Kleen Strip brand). Jasco. The paint will tell you explicitly whether a thinner or a reducer should be used to thin the paint. However, you can thin many acrylics with Lacquer Thinner. It also will clean such surfaces to remove any grease or grime. When speaking of lacquer thinner, is this the same as mineral spirits or is it something different? When thinning or cleaning tools covered in latex paint, you should instead use plain water or a specially-formulated latex-based paint thinner (e.g. However, one or more solvents in many lacquer thinners is highly aggressive to styrene, and thus the paint is essentially melted into the plastic. If you want the utmost best results out of your paint, I’d recommend you go with the thinner that is made by, & recommended by the same company of the paint you use. I have read on some other forums of cutting Tamiya acrylics with laquer thinner to shoot the paint easier and not allow the nozzle to dry up. Sorry but real turpentine and real mineral spirits are not the same. You will need to choose the appropriate thinner or lacquer to mix with the type of auto paint you will be using. or so I am lead to believe...only ever used it with Wood stain, hehe, and I did not hold a stopwatch to it. I like this fellas thinking, dont waste the dollars on things that aren't worth it, use the dollars wisely for buying/making the models. However, I once tried mineral spirits as a thinner. The only time that I mix the two is during clean-up by shooting laquer thinner through my AB. Add more acetone or more Rust-Oleum to make the mixture thicker or thinner, measuring the amount you add. It's adjustment range is much finer and over a broad range by comparison to the H. No, lacquer thinner is a stronger solvent. It dries several times faster than generic paint thinner or mineral spirits. If the under paint isn't hardened it will lift and wrinkle. Lacquer thinner in enamel is popular for painting model cars. 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